2011-07-19T12:45:50Ztag:sursumcorda.salemsattic.com,2018:/isso/thread/post/sabbath-by-dan-b.-allendertag:sursumcorda.salemsattic.com,2018:/isso/619/23912011-07-19T12:45:50ZSursumCorda<p>Oops, I never answered your question, IrishOboe. The answer is yes, both books justify fun and play on the Sabbath. And also no: they (especially Allender; Pieper's book isn't as fresh in my mind) have a view of play that sounds like more work than work to me! Either I'm misinterpreting Allender, or it must get easier after a while.</p>tag:sursumcorda.salemsattic.com,2018:/isso/619/23902011-05-01T15:56:53ZKathy Lewis<p>I like your &quot;wrong patient&quot; analogy - I've felt like that with lots of books.</p>tag:sursumcorda.salemsattic.com,2018:/isso/619/23892011-04-27T11:57:27ZIrishOboe<p>Does either justify the idea that sabbath is for play and fun? Not too long ago play was deemed inappropriate for the sabbath. Why the change?</p>